See, I don't know how far you go back. I've only been around since 1983, and I know you were there, then, but I don't know more. So my choices were to call you an old Carolingian to your virtual face (which would be rude), or not.

Now, my *recollection* is that I heard it from Vis, but everyone knows that Vis is implicated in nearly all the apocrapha, so that's not a reliable memory. I've bugged Vis once already this year about a legend, and I don't know him well enough to pester him again for a while. Not to mention it makes me feel stupid when he says, gently, that I'm mistaken.