Okay, Old Carolingian (and I'm replying to Kali, but this also is directed at Alexx), for those of us who are Rather Younger and don't know the history of the East like we know this history of Some Other Kingdoms, what *did* happen at THAT Crown Tourney? Reply privately if you like, aureliarufinia @ yahooDOTcom (you both are very smart and know how to make that work. ::Grins::)