"Well, how on this good Earth do you know that the person is "not fundamentally good" or derailing unless you try to deal with them otherwise first?"
You don't *know*. You make the best judgment you can. Sometimes you're wrong. *shrug*
"That is your FIRST suggestion, which I find to be problematic. No talk of other techniques to manage, change, or otherwise deal with them."
Did I say anywhere that this was a carefully worked out philosophy that covers all possible edge cases and should be taken as gospel in all situations? No, I'm pointing out a particular set of situations/possibilities that I think people are missing. I did not, and do not, claim that they are the *only* possibilities.
"You think this is somehow more constructive with people than it is with landfills and power plants?"
Landfills and power plants have no moral agency. I am stating that: A) It is not my responsibility to be the friend of, or rehabilitate Vile Person X. B) If Vile Person X feels that he has too few friends, that is *his* problem.
"It has to exist,"
No, actually, Vile Person X doesn't *have* to associate with *any* group. Hermits exist.
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Date: 2013-06-15 11:55 pm (UTC)You don't *know*. You make the best judgment you can. Sometimes you're wrong. *shrug*
"That is your FIRST suggestion, which I find to be problematic. No talk of other techniques to manage, change, or otherwise deal with them."
Did I say anywhere that this was a carefully worked out philosophy that covers all possible edge cases and should be taken as gospel in all situations? No, I'm pointing out a particular set of situations/possibilities that I think people are missing. I did not, and do not, claim that they are the *only* possibilities.
"You think this is somehow more constructive with people than it is with landfills and power plants?"
Landfills and power plants have no moral agency. I am stating that:
A) It is not my responsibility to be the friend of, or rehabilitate Vile Person X.
B) If Vile Person X feels that he has too few friends, that is *his* problem.
"It has to exist,"
No, actually, Vile Person X doesn't *have* to associate with *any* group. Hermits exist.